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June 26, 2006
Genographic Results: Haplogroup J2
It's confirmed y'all. I'm mishpacha. Haplogroup J2 common amongst the world's Semitic peoples.
Here's some of the good poop from the report:
Your Y-chromosome results identify you as a member of haplogroup J2. The genetic markers that define your ancestral history reach back roughly 60,000 years to the first common marker of all non-African men, M168, and follow your lineage to present day, ending with M172, the defining marker of haplogroup J2. If you look at the map highlighting your ancestors' route, you will see that members of haplogroup J2 carry the following Y-chromosome markers: M168 — M89 — M304 — M172 Today, descendants of this line appear in the highest frequencies in the Middle East, North Africa, and Ethiopia, and at a much lower frequency in Europe, where it is observed exclusively in the Mediterranean area. Approximately 20 percent of the males in southern Italy carry the marker, along with 10 percent of men in southern Spain. [...] M168: Your Earliest Ancestor Time of Emergence: Roughly 50,000 years ago Place of Origin: Africa Climate: Temporary retreat of Ice Age; Africa moves from drought to warmer temperatures and moister conditions Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: Approximately 10,000 [...] M89: Moving Through the Middle East Time of Emergence: 45,000 years ago Place: Northern Africa or the Middle East Climate: Middle East: Semi-arid grass plains Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: Tens of thousands [...] M304: The Spread of Agriculture Time of Emergence:15,000 to 10,000 years ago Place of origin: Fertile Crescent Climate: Ice Age ending Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: Millions Language: Unknown—earliest evidence of modern language families [...] M172: Toward the Mediterranean Time of Emergence: 10,000 years ago Place of Origin: Fertile Crescent Climate: Ice Age ending Estimated Number of Homo sapiens: A few million Language: Unknown Tools and Skills: Neolithic Your ancestors left a physical footprint that matches their genetic journey Artifacts from ancient towns such as Jericho, also known as Tell el-Sultan, a site close to present day Jerusalem, provide evidence of permanent human settlements to around 8500 B.C. The sites also suggest the transition from hunter-gatherer to settled life occurred relatively suddenly. The M172 marker defines a major subset of haplogroup J, which arose from the M89 lineage. It is found today in North Africa, the Middle East, and southern Europe. In southern Italy it occurs at frequencies of 20 percent, and in southern Spain, 10 percent of the population carries this marker. Both haplogroup J and its subgroup J2 are found at a combined frequency of around 30 percent amongst Jewish individuals.
This more or less confirms the family lore that our ancestors emerged out of Israel, passed along Northern Africa, and up to Spain before being kicked out during the Spanish Inquisition only to try and make it back towards Israel to be re-settled in Syria before coming to the Americas.
This makes me want to try and find the rumored Mexican contingent of the Husney (Hosni) family even more!
To all with $99 of expendible cash, I can say I recommend the Genographic Project. Sure it takes six months and only gives your ancestry to within an estimated 10,000 years ago but its still good fun to know how far your ancestors came to bring you in front of that computer monitor today :)
Posted by jordanh at June 26, 2006 11:44 PM
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Just out of curiousity, do you have the markers M47, M67, M12 and M92 in addition to M172?
Posted by: Anonymous at June 28, 2008 11:57 AM
My family name was originally "Hosni" or "Husni", from the Valley of Hosn in Syria (between Homs and Tartus). They moved on to Lebanon around 1700 and then to the Americas (North and South), with some in Mexico. All of them, Greek Orthodox christians but I wonder if any connection...
Posted by: Nelson at June 29, 2008 9:44 AM
Interesting; same lineage here; probably also kicked out of Spain or 'peacefully converted' and resettled in the Spanish Netherlands, would need to find out!
At least, time to create the "M172 Jerichocracy" elitist group on Facebook e.g.!
Posted by: Guido Pas ('de Paz') at October 21, 2008 5:42 AM
I am African American, with a dark complexion and the decendant of slaves. According to the Genome Project I am J2 M172.....
Posted by: Michael Britt at January 2, 2009 1:35 AM
....And I'm blond haired, blue eyed, Anglo-German American... and J2 M172.
This is like AA.
Posted by: James at January 5, 2009 1:49 PM
i am from northern england and had my y dna test done ... i was surprised to find i am j2a1b m67 ... could anyone shed some light onto how that dna is in a lad from yorkshire ... farmers phoenicians ???? any help appreciated
Posted by: al at March 13, 2009 11:43 AM
i am from northern england and had my y dna test done ... i was surprised to find i am j2a1b m67 ... could anyone shed some light onto how that dna is in a lad from yorkshire ... farmers phoenicians ???? any help appreciated
Posted by: al at March 13, 2009 11:43 AM
i am from northern england and had my y dna test done ... i was surprised to find i am j2a1b m67 ... could anyone shed some light onto how that dna is in a lad from yorkshire
J2a1b is not specifically tied to Jews or Phoenicians. It is more generally a North Mediterranean haplogroup, spreading from Anatolia, and related with the Neolithic agricultural expansion. It is also, depending on the subclade, relatedw with Crete, Greece and Rome. So this are mostly the vectors that would account for it in England, and elsewhere in Europe.
Posted by: bert at March 24, 2009 10:12 PM
I am also M168 M89 M304 M172 and we first show up in Saarland, Germany 1708 but speculation is that we were recent immigrants from Tyrol. I wishfully speculate that in the 9000 odd intervening years we worked our way through the Greek and Roman Empires to finally arrive at the final German destination as a clan of iron workers. The supposed family coat of arms was bestowed by Kaiser Sigismund circa 1437.
Posted by: Tom Krill at April 7, 2009 8:56 PM
If you guys want to send me a photo to jordan(at)husney.com I will create a new posting called, "the Faces of Haplogroup J2"
I think it would be very interesting to show how diverse a single haplogroup may be.
Posted by: Jordan at April 19, 2009 12:03 PM
all this genographic haplogroup marker stuff is absolute crap.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 9, 2009 8:51 PM
My son informs me that he had his DNA analysed and has been informed that we are Haplogroup J2 originating from the Fertile Crescent area in Mesopotamia.
As my great grandfather emigrated to New Zealand in 1859 from Chilwell in Birmingham England there must be a connexion to the Romans. It has been suggested possibly to the Syrian Archers who were used by the Romans along the northern frontiers in England
Posted by: Keitho at September 14, 2009 8:24 PM
I'm j2a4b with Italian roots, +M67, non-Jewish that I know of. My closest matches seem to be from the British Isles. I'd love to belong to a project called "The Faces of J2". I have brown hair & green eyes. I have much research to do.
Posted by: Jack Vent at September 28, 2009 1:53 PM
This report often fails to inform that most of the J2 M172 are Turkish and the dominancy of this group is on lands that have always been inhabitant by Turks going back to the Ice Age. My DNA is linked to Catalhoyuk(Konya-Turkey) where the marker sparked a wave of migrations to the Balkans(Turakya-Thracia) and Etruscan, to Troy(Tur-Ova-Trojans)and East to by way of Sumerians that stretched to Central Asia. The climatic changes(mainly Ice Age) forced migrations back and forth to Central Asia. This is why a Turk with Asian feautures, but white and Balkan or Hungarian can look a bit different but carry similar Genes. The kicker is to test if they like Kebaps. All Turksh love Kebaps. Note, the "Jews- Ashkenazi" are not Jews directly from the Middle East. They are related to Khazar Turks that migrated along ancient trade routes that connected North Europe to Siberia.
Posted by: Tamer at December 17, 2009 8:16 PM
Also J2 with Grandfather coming from Trpcane, Ilirska Bistrica, Slovenia (former Austria Hungary). I supect there are two primary ways J2 arrived there, either:
1. Turkic/Saramtian tribes enter the norhern Balkans prior to the Greeks/recorded history.
2. Greek seafarers or later Roman Auxillia via the Adriatic.
I bleieve most of my bretheren J2 in Northern Europe are decendants of Roman Auxillia cohorts deployed to far flung reaches of the empire.
Posted by: JB at June 19, 2010 1:19 PM
You misspelled "Semitic." And Genographic takes 6 weeks, not 6 months - don't make stuff up.
Posted by: Charles at November 13, 2010 10:07 AM
Charles, thank you for the comment. You'd make a fine fine-toothed comb. I've made the correction. Regarding 6 months--perhaps things have sped up with their delivery since 2006!
Posted by: Jordan Husney at November 13, 2010 11:52 AM
I received the results a few weeks ago. My paternal grandfather's lineages confirms that we are also J2. We are part of the group that traveled eastwards to chinese occupied present day Kashmir. We consider ourselves Kashmiris and according to family lore we were hindus that converted to Islam 600 years ago (1400s). We tought we were mixed with southern indians but this test reveals otherwise.
My mother is from the Azores and her paternal grandmothers test revealed that the family took the opposite route: they traveled westwards from Ethiopia to Morocco and then the Iberian peninsula to finally settle in the beautiful azorian island of Sao Miguel. They are haplogroup L2. All I can say is that these dicoveries are a beautiful window into the past and that if National Geographic reduces their kit feel I'll buy another two more :)
Posted by: Samina at February 18, 2011 6:45 PM
I just got my results and i have the same results as the opening poster did.
I have a well documented geneology tracking back from here in america to northern ireland to southern scotland all the way back to a man who came over from france along with the norman invasion 1066. It gets lost after that
Now I can speculate that some ancestor was in the roman army that invaded gual and stay around and married into the local culture. I am such a creative writer.
Posted by: P montgomery at September 19, 2011 10:09 AM
Hi there!
It's nice to see so many diverse and interesting J2 stories from you all! I just happened to find this page and would like to warmly invite Jordan and all of you to join our J Haplogroup Project, hosted at Family Tree DNA, which some friends and I coordinate. My dad is a J2 from Switzerland, and I started researching this back in 2003. Everyone has their favorite theory, but for my own family, I have to agree with JB, (correcting his spelling)
"I believe most of my brethren J2 in Northern Europe are descendants of Roman Auxillia cohorts deployed to far flung reaches of the empire."
There are now many, many recognized sub-branches of J2 with different ethnic connections. Come and see our project, join us, and we'll help you find out which one your lineage belongs to! In the results table here, J2 haplotypes start about 3/4 of the way down on p. 2 of the chart (as of today -- this could change). Set the page size to 2500 or 3000 to see all at once:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-DNA_J/default.aspx?vgroup=Y-DNA_J%2cY-DNA_J§ion=yresults
If you just got your results from National Geographic, you'll need to transfer your results to Family Tree DNA (who did your test) and use your account there to join projects and get involved in our collaborative research. By joining with your fellow haplogroup J members, you'll be able to tune into a fascinating story with more great research advances all the time, far beyond what you get with your 12 markers and that 10,000 year time-frame. Hope to see you there!
Posted by: Bonnie Schrack at October 20, 2011 2:09 PM
I too just recently tested J2a1b* by 23andMe. According to documented ancestry, my father's grandfather was born in Yorkshire, England around 1841 and immigrated to America possibly in early 1870. I know nothing else about his ancestry.
Posted by: Preston Myers at December 16, 2011 9:57 PM
My father also was J2; the NatGeo page says 'exclusively found in southern Europe.' However, our family history is not southern European: we are Bavarian/Austrians displaced during the Counter Reformation to a small city in Wurtemburg, Germany. The city was the northernmost outpost of the Roman army though so I suppose that could account for the results. It came as a surprise to us all!
Posted by: Lydia at January 2, 2012 8:53 PM

Posting comment...
I mailed my kit in about a week and a half ago and it finally showed up as received, so I've only got another two months to wait.
My ancestry is muddled enough that pretty much any haplogroup that made it to northern Europe is a possibility.
Posted by: Mark at June 27, 2006 10:28 PM